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    Well its that dreadful time of year again and the car has just failed its MoT. Its scrubbed its front tyres, so that's new tyres and alignment tomorrow. It also has no handbrake on the drivers side rear wheel and I think its the caliper piston not moving out when the cable is pulled, so a new caliper at 240!!!.. Despite this the bit that really annoys me is an advisory on the front LCA ball joints. I replaced the LCA's a couple of years ago when I fitted lower springs and they have done about 20,000 miles. They are a pain to do and it looks like they don't last well. Has anyone had similar experience? I remember having a Ford Granada and every year the track rods needed replacing - obviously and inadequate design.
    Allan

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    Get the caliper rebuilt http://www.biggred.co.uk/ or rebuild yourself??? yes i have done the ball joints this time i replace the complete arm much easier parts from rockauto, handbrake cable do snag i replaced both my cables as they rust inside,
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      #3
      Yes front lower control arms are crap. Replaced mine on previous S197 at 25k miles, changed the complete arm, not a bad job to do.
      Changed the lower ball joint only on current S197 last year, bit stressful finding something to press them in with. I had to grind down the inside of a massive socket to fit over the ball joint. Also getting the dust cover on was hard work, I split one of them!
      Incidentally when pressing one of the old ball joints out could knock it out with a hammer, the other one needed a lot of pressure in a press.
      All in all probably should have fitted new arms!

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        #4
        Originally posted by Anaconda View Post
        Changed the lower ball joint only on current S197 last year, bit stressful finding something to press them in with. I had to grind down the inside of a massive socket to fit over the ball joint. Also getting the dust cover on was hard work, I split one of them!
        Incidentally when pressing one of the old ball joints out could knock it out with a hammer, the other one needed a lot of pressure in a press.
        Not sure if they are the same / similar on S197 as SN95 but I did my ball joints using a cheap Ball Joint Press off ebay:

        https://www.ebay.co.uk/i/16230930978...SABEgJqLfD_BwE

        Didn't think it would be up to the job and was fiddly but did the job!

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          #5
          At least the parts are reasonably priced. I replaced the lower arms and balljoints, didn't think it was worth messing about doing just the balljoints.

          I replaced handbrake cables too. It was a known problem with early S197's due to the rubber end boots splitting and lettting moisture in. Does your handbrake lever pull up ok, or is it stiff? Mine was very hard to pull up, and I just presumed thats how it was from the factory. After replacing both cables (after one snapped) the lever was so much easier to operate

          The design was changed, and the new cables don't have the same issue
          Paul

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            #6
            Thanks for the info guys. I'm getting lazy and getting someone to do the brake caliper.

            Yesterday I booked my car into our local Halfords for tracking at 8am today. Dropped it off and was told to come back in 2 hours. Went for breakfast and a look around the shops but when I returned to pick up the car they said they couldn't do it because the car wasn't on their computer and they didn't have the data!! Couldn't they have told me that when I booked it in? Also couldn't they have phoned me at the outset rather than have me wasting 2 hours?? As far as I am concerned Halfords are a waste of space, I will never ever buy anything from them in future or take any of my cars to their service centres. The car is booked in to a specialist "performance" place for Monday now. At least the tyre depot had the new tyres and fitted them. We also had a look at the lower LCA ball joints with the wheels off and there is no real play that I can see or feel, even with a pry bar. I think a change of MoT stations is in order for next year.
            Allan

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              #7
              Allan

              Have you checked out these guys - they came to a Kent meeting I believe once before

              https://www.chassis-setup.co.uk
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                #8
                Halfords will have looked in the wrong place on their computer it will be under Ford USA!
                You are over complicating it there is only one possible adjustment and that is front toe. Take it to Kwikfit, free if it is fine 75 if it needs adjusting. I had good service from them when I bought my tyres from them. My wheel alignment was fine, which I knew as I did it myself earlier in the year

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                  #9
                  Originally posted by Anaconda View Post
                  Halfords will have looked in the wrong place on their computer it will be under Ford USA!
                  You are over complicating it there is only one possible adjustment and that is front toe. Take it to Kwikfit, free if it is fine 75 if it needs adjusting. I had good service from them when I bought my tyres from them. My wheel alignment was fine, which I knew as I did it myself earlier in the year
                  It was their can't do attitude that put me off. I don't think that they knew that Mustangs come from the USA. The place I am taking it did the rolling road tests on my 65 Mustang and are very good. Kwikfit did it 2 years ago and clearly got it wrong as its badly scrubbing the inner edges of the tyres.
                  Allan

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                    #10
                    Originally posted by ALLAN R View Post

                    It was their can't do attitude that put me off. I don't think that they knew that Mustangs come from the USA. The place I am taking it did the rolling road tests on my 65 Mustang and are very good. Kwikfit did it 2 years ago and clearly got it wrong as its badly scrubbing the inner edges of the tyres.
                    Fair enough, even better if you have dealt with the place already. Is it the toe which has worn the tyres or is the front camber out after you lowered it? I guess you will find out when you take it to have it done, lets us know how you get on.

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                      #11
                      Can't believe the any of the Halfords employees don't know how to use Google

                      Paul

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                        #12
                        Originally posted by ALLAN R View Post
                        Well its that dreadful time of year again and the car has just failed its MoT. Its scrubbed its front tyres, so that's new tyres and alignment tomorrow. It also has no handbrake on the drivers side rear wheel and I think its the caliper piston not moving out when the cable is pulled, so a new caliper at 240!!!.. Despite this the bit that really annoys me is an advisory on the front LCA ball joints. I replaced the LCA's a couple of years ago when I fitted lower springs and they have done about 20,000 miles. They are a pain to do and it looks like they don't last well. Has anyone had similar experience? I remember having a Ford Granada and every year the track rods needed replacing - obviously and inadequate design.
                        My LCA’s were advisories also in each MOT, after a lot of research sources Moog Problem solver LCA’ whilst on holiday in Florida and smuggled them back, 1 in my Golf flight bag and 1 x in my case, really surprised I got away with it, especially since US customs cut off my case padlock and searched it, they put a card and an explanation as to why they broke into my case.
                        Saved a lot on this type getting direct, They were substantially more than the usual ones that are for sale in the Uk.

                        My originals were advisories each MOT since 2015, no clunking noises just a bit of play.
                        Advisories to be me are a waste of time, they either needing done or not., a year is a long time especially if the MOT tester doesn’t know how many miles you are gong to do and what kind of driving you are going to do.

                        I purchased replacement ball joints with the intention to remove the existing LCA and press the new Ball joints in and re install, as there was nothing wrong with other bushes.
                        However suspected if I had any issues the car would now be off the road, so ended up buying Moogs and got the Ball joints pressed into the ones that came off, perfectly usable again.

                        I assume they would worth buying to someone local as they are heavy and would cost a fair bit to post, so haven’t done anything with them yet.

                        Too many cheap LCA with poor quality Ball joints in them, they perish quickly and let the water and grit etc in and wear out too quick.
                        think that might be your issue.

                        Time will tell, if the Moog Problem solver ones a last longer.

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                          #13
                          Thanks for the info guys. I got the car tracked today and it was way out thanks to the last lot of monkeys that did it. So its through the MoT now and all 100% functional. As for the LCA's I think I will take my time and buy the ball joint press tool and also some Moog replacement ball joints. I don't fancy replacing the whole arm again as one should have the tracking done again. The last LCA's I bought were the GT500 ones so I don't think they are any better than the std cheapo ones. Getting just the ball joint will also be cheaper, offsetting the cost of the tool.
                          Allan

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                            #14
                            Originally posted by G19 View Post
                            Allan

                            Have you checked out these guys - they came to a Kent meeting I believe once before

                            https://www.chassis-setup.co.uk

                            Cheers for the mention G19!

                            Was hoping to get to the meeting at the weekend but had to go to Brands Hatch last minute instead. Will try and get to another one soon, hoping to have my wife's '65 finished for the summer so we can bring that. Hope you all had a good meet
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                              Allan don't Click image for larger version

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